I went on “date” number two with gelding number two Friday. This time I was fortunate to have my trainer join me for the 100 mile trip to see the chestnut Thoroughbred I liked from two weeks ago, but wasn’t sure I LIKED as he is a bit on the green side. It’s not that I have anything against a greenish horse, it’s just that I don’t think I have the sophistication and experience to perceive whether or not a green horse will be a good pick or a train wreck. I thought this guy might be a really good pick, but I just wasn’t 100% sure. Should I take the horse on trial?

My trainer bought Starbucks for me and I picked her up at 6 a.m. to try to stay away from Los Angeles rush hour traffic. We actually considered taking the train to see the horse. It would have been a 2 hour 45 minute train ride or 1.5 hour car ride (depending on traffic it could also be 2 hours and 45 minutes–I thought I’d take my chances).

The reining trainer who’s been working with him a couple of times a week for the past few months rode him and did several reining maneuvers which my trainer pointed out would cross over very nicely for dressage. She commented that he was executing the moves correctly and really listening to the reiner’s aids. As we sat there watching him work, my trainer narrated what she was noticing about the horse from the way he really stepped up under himself placing his back hooves into the imprint or even ahead of the imprint of front hooves to noticing that he looked even better under saddle than on the ground (which is what I had thought too!).

“So what kinds of things could I do with a horse like this? I know the owner’s taken him on the trail and he’s very quiet. I know he can jump but he hasn’t really been trained.”

She said I could do anything with him, “He moves like a hunter, he could definitely do dressage, I’m sure he could do jumpers too,” and then added he seemed like a really fun horse and she liked him so far.

My like started to grow stronger.

Then my trainer hopped on and his level of awesomeness rose even more. He was on the bit and moving forward and he came together and it looked like an effortless ride. She asked if she could jump him. This was what I had been waiting for! I had only seen him jump an X when I was on my first “date.”

My trainer cruised over the X a number of times and then took him over a hay bale jump and he just went. Next she did a tighter turn and aimed him at a colorful plank vertical. He stopped, but not a dirty stop. More like, “Oh, I didn’t really know what I was supposed to do.” She turned around, made a big circle and he sailed over it with no drama. He was game.

The only down side to her ride was that he was reluctant to pick up the left lead on a circle, but he did it landing, no problem. She persisted asking him and he didn’t get bratty, but after multiple attempts she backed down saying he had already done a lot of new in one session and she felt like it was a training and practice thing, not a health or willful disobedience thing.

My turn: I got on and walked around a lap or two. I’ve noticed I get nervous trying out the horses because I feel like there’s so much at stake. And because he’s only 6 and was wearing a much harsher bit than I would ever use if I owned him, I felt like I was riding very delicately.  Anyway, I did get him to canter on the left lead after a few tries. Again, he never got fussy or angry and I felt like he was genuinely trying. Then I jumped him over the X. I was riding like a whisper and so he lost so much momentum to the baby X that I thought he was going to stop. I was already apologizing aloud for being so waffley. He came to the base of the fence at the world’s slowest trot and he trotted over it anyway.

“He wasn’t going to stop, you were going to stop,” my trainer stately matter of factly.  Both trainers basically encouraged me to not baby him and to ride more assertively. “You’re not going to ruin him.”

I picked up the reins and had more contact with his mouth and used more leg and the next several jumps were much smoother and much better than the first.

We ended our fun ride and his trainer took him to hose off while my trainer and I pow wowed.

“Is it bad to get him and think, ‘If I don’t really like him after a year I could try to sell him?’ I like him, but it’s just that,” and that’s when my voice started to crack. “With my last horse, the first time I saw him I thought, ‘That is the most beautiful horse I’ve ever seen!’ I HAD to have him. I know I could buy this horse and have fun and I trust him and he’d be a good horse, but I’m just not crazy about him. I mean would he be a nice horse that someone else would like and want to buy if I never really clicked with him or if he didn’t turn out how we hoped?”

To my surprise she said it was not a bad thing to think at all. She said he was a good horse and that he would be the type of horse that would be easy to sell. I felt affirmed yet disloyal all at the same time.

I decided I would make an offer. The owner was not able to be at the showing so I planned to call her on the long car ride home.

As we said our thank yous and good-byes to the reining trainer, she mentioned, “Someone made an offer on him.”

After she left, I asked my trainer, “Why would they have us come all the way up here if he’s already got an offer?”

“Maybe they lowballed.”

I told her the amount I was thinking of offering and she encouraged me to go up a notch (the amount I decided on was 85% of the asking price).

So on the ride home I called the owner and said we both liked the horse and I was going to make an offer and would she (and the horse) be available for a vet check next week. She said yes to everything and I said I’d call with my vet time frames later that afternoon.

I called a vet referred to me by my former vet and he was going to leave on family vacation but had Monday at 9, 11, and 4 available. Sounded perfect.

The owner and I spoke again and I told her the vet’s availability. I then asked if she would consider me taking the horse on trial for 30 days. “I really like him, but he did resist the left lead and it would be nice to work with him over fences more.” My thought is you can always ask for something and people are able to say no. I could tell she did not like this request. I think I offended her.

“We used to have our own barn and we had to sell eight horses when we were getting out of it. The trials never worked. Our horses would return lame or with infections. They would be over ridden.”

I assured her I understood her concern and that that’s not the kind of people we are. I told her the reason I chose my trainer is because she’s a true horsewoman in that she cares more about the animal than about winning. Her passion is developing a connection with the horse and rider and teaching horse care, that’s why she just launched a Pony Club this summer.

Because she never said anything about the other party and she was going to check her schedule to check on a vet time, I didn’t think there was an offer. Or that the offer the reiner had mentioned must have been too low.  We agreed to talk on Saturday to iron out the details for the vet check.

Saturday morning I had another school garden workshop. I texted the owner around 10 a.m. to say I was in the class but that I would call her when I got done at noon.

I got a text at 12:06 p.m. that read

“Just getting back to you on my guy. I going [sic] to move fwd with the other buyers offer. It is just a cleaner, less complicated arrangement. I feel like maybe you are looking for a more finished horse, especially if you want a trial. They usually are more expensive, and trials may take place because of that investment. That is my experience anyway. My guy is as stated in the ad. Started, and you can take him whatever direction you choose. If you would like, I can let you know if for some reason this deal does not complete. Just let me know. I feel bad letting you know, but I feel like maybe you would be happier with a more experienced horse.”

The rug was pulled out from under me. I didn’t know I was in competition with another person since I never heard it straight up from the owner. Last I knew, she was figuring out her work schedule so she could meet me at the barn on Monday for a vet check!

Is there a reason we couldn’t have had an old-fashioned phone call voice to voice on this?

Does she have the right to tell me what I’m looking for in a horse?

I responded politely that I thought I’d ask about the trial because you never know unless you ask. I understand she wants what’s best for her and her horse, but if I’m in the ballpark of the amount she’s willing to accept, pending a clean pre-purchase I would still be interested minus the 30-day trial request. I rescinded the trial idea.

She’s still going forward with the other party.

That was yesterday. Today I have such a bad taste in my mouth for how this all went down, I don’t know what to think. My trainer was ticked and used colorful language to ask why they would have us spend half a day and two hours with the horse and drive 200 miles when they knew there was an offer on the table they were considering. I feel used.

And by the way, I know of a Thoroughbred farm here in SoCal that has a couple of horses that they have offered to allow on a trial (and they are not  uber “expensive. . .investment” horses). They’re in the same range as what she was asking.

I was thinking how nice it would be to buy this horse from a private party, a woman in her 60s. I thought there’d be no wheeling and dealing and inflated prices and masking of unsoundness. Just a nice older woman trying to find a good home. But something about this whole situation is not sitting right with me. The way information was revealed or kept from me. The mode of communication.

I guess it wasn’t meant to be.

What’s your view? In this digital age is is acceptable to negotiate and accept or reject offers such as buying a horse via text message?  

What is the protocol for trying out a horse at your location for a trial period?  Have you or anyone else you know taken a horse on trial or sold a horse and allowed someone else to take a horse on trial basis? What are your experiences when asking to take a horse on trial?

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20 Comments

  1. Rodney's Saga August 11, 2014 at 1:58 am - Reply

    All the books say to take the horse on trial. I have yet to meet a seller who agrees. I don’t even ask any more.

    As for this situation, whatever she said was an excuse. Something else was going on. If she was interested in yr offer, she could have just said no to the trial. Who knows what they were thinking.

    Remember, you didn’t LOVE the horse, so no harm, no foul … except for the long drive.

    • Susan Friedland-Smith August 11, 2014 at 6:43 am - Reply

      You’re so right on all accounts. Do you think it’s fair to ask before driving a long way, “Are there other offers on the table at this point?” My husband said that is not a good idea because the seller could say yes, even if it’s not true (trying to get more $ out of me).

      • Rodney's Saga August 11, 2014 at 8:51 am

        One course that I am coming around to more and more is to say as little as possible. Answer all questions fully. Don’t lie. But don’t volunteer opinions, amusing stories, etc. This is hard for horse folks. We do love to talk and hear stories, In a selling situation, they don’t care about me and who knows how they will take that cute story about the hose. I’ve yet to be grilled by a seller, even those who say they want Good Home Only, or I’ll Ask a Lot of Questions. Good Home apparently means the check clears.

        I’d even limit the questions. I had one fellow get grumpy about sending me photos of the horses. He said “You can’t buy a horse based on a photo.” Well, true, but you can reject one. We have taken to having my husband make the initial contact b/c I tend to overshare. Particurly if they ask about my current situation …

        Bottom line: I think yr stuck with the drive.

      • Susan Friedland-Smith August 11, 2014 at 10:56 am

        That’s interesting. I would NOT be able to have my husband call because he’s the oversharer in the family. And he thinks the best of most people whereas I’m more guarded and think that people are out to swindle me. YIng and yang.

        And your comment about good home=check clearing is very insightful.

      • Rodney's Saga August 11, 2014 at 9:43 am

        Husband could be right. Or they perfer you/your offer. Or the trainer is not aware that the offer has been withdrawn/rejected. Or …

  2. Rodney's Saga August 11, 2014 at 2:12 am - Reply

    re the text instead of call: maybe she’s not good with confrontation & didn’t want to say no to you over the phone?

    I’ll stop now.

  3. Midwestern Plant Girl August 11, 2014 at 6:42 am - Reply

    It’s a sign of the times to get bad news via text, emails or even faxes! Folks can’t handle confrontation, even a little, and have to hide behind a screen.

  4. Amanda C August 11, 2014 at 8:00 am - Reply

    I’m fine with texting, but I like having things “in writing” rather than phone conversations. I also, as a seller, would not go with someone who wanted a trial either even if it means a little less money. Way too risky for me personally. It sounds to me like perhaps she thought the other buyer was a better fit for the horse but didn’t really choose the right wording when telling you her choice. 😉

    • Susan Friedland-Smith August 11, 2014 at 8:07 am - Reply

      Interesting. So are there any situations in which you would consider a trial? I’ve heard of people doing this so I know it exists, I just have not had any personal experience (until now).

      • Amanda C August 11, 2014 at 8:09 am

        I have let a horse go on trial before (an expensive show horse who went to another known trainer’s barn for a couple weeks for a client to try, so I considered it less of a risk) but in general I wouldn’t do it. Especially if I did not know the person or the trainer or if I wasn’t familiar with their barn.

  5. carey August 11, 2014 at 8:41 am - Reply

    Sounds like maybe this woman wanted to sell him quickly rather than wait it out and still be settling the deal in a month, even if it meant more money. The trial might not have worked out for you and she could have been out both offers on the horse. I’m not saying I agree with her, but like Rodney said above, you didn’t LOVE this horse so try to just put it behind you.

  6. Lauren August 11, 2014 at 9:25 am - Reply

    I probably wouldn’t ask for a trial unless it was from my trainer and to a trainer that she or I knew. I just think it’s more likely to work out that way. I’ve had several bad experiences with trials (horse returned lame) and I think everyone has a trial horror story.

    That being said, I think you are right to have a bad taste in your mouth. I can’t believe they wasted your time trying the horse and getting excited without letting you know there was another offer they were considering. Very poor taste in my opinion. Sorry!

    • Susan Friedland-Smith August 11, 2014 at 10:58 am - Reply

      Thanks for the trial feedback. I see the caveat with trying through people you know. That makes sense.

      So are we both of the same opinion that it would have been fair for her to let me know of the other offer? I could have countered. I’m truly feeling he wasn’t the one, which I’m okay with. I guess what smarts is that I feel like I was being honest, straightforward and I was toyed with to advance her agenda.

  7. lauracatherine93 August 11, 2014 at 12:18 pm - Reply

    I think you’re right to ask for a trial as you don’t know how the horse will react in a new situation or if you will both get on together. I can understand the reluctance in the sellers, though, about putting the horse on trial… I guess it works both ways. However, she should have been up front and let you know about the other person – it’s only fair!

  8. AlchemyEventing August 11, 2014 at 7:25 pm - Reply

    Granted, I haven’t actually gone horse shopping in a long, long time, but when I did, we wouldn’t even consider a horse if the owner wasn’t willing to do a trial. I think a 30 day trial may be a little long though- I think we were asking two weeks. 30 days is kind of a long time not to have the money if you really need it from the sale. Also, I’m sure there’s ways to make sure it’s legally safe- like taking pictures of the horse before it goes to trial, documenting it’s health etc., so that if the horse did come back “ruined” the owner could enforce the sale.

    But I agree- totally think it was unfair to not mention that someone else was interested in the horse to begin with! I’m sorry you missed out- although there’s possibly something wrong with the horse if she was willing to take less for a more “uncomplicated” offer- which means they’re likely not asking for a vet check, either. (red flag!)

  9. Centered in the Saddle August 13, 2014 at 9:52 am - Reply

    As others have commented, I only consider buying a horse if I can have a trial period. It’s much more insightful to ride a horse for a few days – even just a week – at your own barn, than a few short rides at the horse’s home farm. I think it’s really the best way to see if you are going to be a good fit.

    As for whether I would send a horse out on trial as the seller – yes, I would. I understand the risks, by my #1 concern would be finding the right home where the horse and rider truly clicked. If that isn’t the case after a trial period, then it’s not the right buyer for my horse.

    A friend at my barn is also in the middle of a horse search. She’s had two fail their pre-purchase vet checks and it’s really disappointing. It can be such a roller coaster throughout the whole process, but as I keep telling her, it just means that wasn’t the right horse. If you stick to your guns and keep asking for what you want/need, eventually you will find it.

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